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, scalia for testimonying it like it is. nnext pope john paul ii shock happened the catholic church and the rest of the world when he made this announcement this week. >> after examined my conscious before god i came to a certainty my strength due to advanced age are no longer suited to the adequate exercise of the ministry. >> it was a remarkable announcement, first pope in over 600 years to actually step aside instead of leaving the papacy in the point much death. i want to say thank you, pope john paul ii . the reason why, as i would say thanks to your predecessor pope john paul ii. this is it a evangelical and not a catholic who appreciates the firm convictions of the catholic church and popes who decipeded that the purpose of the church is not a mere thermometer reflecting the culture of whatever the world happens to believe in the given moment, but believes that the church is to be the thermostat that can read the culture that is it prevalent in the world, but whose purpose is to adjust the temperature of the culture to what it ought to be . for that, i say thank you for faith
step down. it's something that nobody's even considered in modern times. even john paul 2 who was much more ill or much more tired looking and ill, of course. he was very ill than pope benedict xvi looks and he said i had enough of this and just going to retire and read and live a spiritual life until the end and leave it with somebody younger and stamina. who that guy or pope will be, we don't know yet. we'll know soon. >> all right. thank you very much, claudio. let's bring in nbc news vatican analyst george wigle and father thomas at georgetown university. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. george, you have been on air all pretty much throughout the day. your initial reaction to this news, especially knowing what the pope said two years ago? >> i wasn't surprised at the fact, tamron. but i was a little surprised at the timing but the more i think about it during the day, the fact that the pope has done this in such a way that the college of cardinals will be meeting during lent, a traditional season of reflection, self examination, examination of conscious, if you will. in
-to-day basis. i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of things catholic in places like the united states, that is not the case in places like africa, latin, central america, central mexico. the activity has quite energized, so make a prediction that you'll see a greater voice of those communities, nigeria, brazil, mexico, because the catholic church and the conclave in particular has become more diversified over the years. don't forget john paul ii was the first known italian in 453 years, nobody ever believed that, so here we are 2013, and you might see a seismic change again. >> ray flynn, monsignor tom mcsweeny, thank you for joining me. i really appreciate i
of pope john paul ii. he was the oldest person to become pontiff in 275 years. benedict xvi was a conservative pope, he strongly opposed to birth control, but he embraced new forms of communication and joined twitter last year. pope benedict faced a string of challenges during his term from sexual abuse scandals involving the members of the clergy to an investigation into money laundering in vatican city. a court convicted his former butler last year of stealing and leaking classified documents that pointed to corruption in the vatican. the pope pardoned him over christmas. it's rare for a pope to resign. pope benedict is the first to quit in nearly 600 years. senior members of the catholic church will now start planning their conclave, the meeting they hold to choose a successor. >>> police in the united states are investigating yet another case of gun violence. pop ben fikt benedict xvi will be one of the most religious thinkers of the age. >> the president says he has warm memories. the meeting drew attention because of the different views on abortion rights. he hopes it
pastor and we got that with john paul who also, by the way had pretty good managerial skills. we got with pope benedict xvi a brilliant mind and ability to teach and preach. now i hear some of my brother cardinals say, but we should also look for somebody with some pretty good managerial skills to bring the roman curia as an agent of evangelization and not to -- so if that means some type of renewal, if that needs some type of attention, so be it. >> reporter: as one cardinal put it to me scott, there's so many things needed in the new pope that it would be almost impossible to find it all in one man, but they do know that they need to deal with the mess that is the roman catholic curia at the moment, the church governance and also the ongoing problem of the sex abuse scandal. that is going to weigh heavily on the new pope scott. >> alan thank you very much. the banner that we see there says pope benedict thank you and we love you. the people that we saw gathering outside the papal apartments in san de maso courtyard are some of the folks who have worked for the p
, and the world has listened to him and he inherited from john paul a stage. he filled it not quite as largely but filled it very adequately with the authority of his teachings, not by power. >> reporter: and when we say listen to him, the world listens to the pope, whether it is benedict, john paul or whoever the next one might be. >> well, as a matter of fact, that's true. succession is the word. one succeeded the other succeeded the other on the basis of what we believe. >> reporter: we talked about it a lot and i talked to cardinal dolan about it. cardinal mccarrick and certainly cardinal dolan plays down any talk of him being the next pope but the fact of an american being the pope does not look like it's in the cards now. >> that's been said for a long time. but to be very honest, i think that the fact that we have taken the lead on the abuse crisis may well be -- may be the joker. it may well be that someone looks to having done extraordinary work in that field. >> reporter: and we see also now the pope who has arrived, looks like to me at the helipad area. this again is at the vatican
. >> and john paul would have been. >> a movie star. >> that gives you a sense of the different temperaments. yet the emotion that is now being really demonstrated as these cardinals say farewell face to face for the last time, all of them kissing the fisherman's ring which we know will be defaced and destroyed which benedict xvi's papacy ends. >> that's right. there are two instruments of the papal office, one is the ring and one is the official papal seal. the seal is kept in a safe in an office in the vatican. of course in the middle ages as you know, christiane be these were what were used to stamp paper bulls. which made them official. after a papacy had ended, someone might use the instruments to falsify papal documents. that's where the custom of destroying them came from. that will be honored at the end of benedict's papacy as well. >> thank you. we'll continue to watch this with all of you. back to you, john and zoraida in new york. >> it is interesting to see this as history is being made at the vatican. pope benedict xvi saying good-bye to the cardinals who have assembled and many
stepped out on the balcony joseph ratzinger chosen to succeed john paul ii who reigned as pope for 25 years. >> he had a hard act to follow. >> a very difficult act. >> reporter: father james marten is editor at large of the magazine "america". >> he is the beloved professor. >> reporter: benedict was a shy man with a great reputation in the church. a theologian a strong advocate for a return to tradition in the face of the modern world. but these were hard years for the catholic church and the pope. there was the agony of the sex abuse scandal in several countries. timothy dolan reflected on the toll of it all. >> when he speaks about the church, when he speaks about christian life they are the most noble, loving, the most elevated sentiments you can have. and for him to see the troubles, the corruption, the scandals that have always inflicted members of the church that's got to weigh on him. >> reporter: another scandal, his personal butler stole a trove of his private correspondence and leaked it to the media. >> he was an incredible shepherd and just someone i would look to as one
. the french philosopher john paul, once said, when you choose for yourself you choose for all mankind. if we are okay sending drones over other countries to kill american citizens or other individuals without that country's permission, we have to acknowledge then that when this technology spreads to other countries and it will, it's not that sophisticated, that we're okay then with other governments doing the same thing and other countries and where does that lead exactly? >> on the same program, both of you, we have heard the phrase resin dets tra and reference to john paul. i'm proud of our program tonight. thank you very much, ron reagan, i'm going to quote him next week just to catch up with you and cynthia tucker. have a nice weekend. up next, texas governor rick perry escalates that fight, kind of a tussle, with california's jerry brown. i'm betting on brown in this one. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> now to the side show. added heat on perry versus jerry today. i told you about the tussle between the governors of our two biggest states, texas and california. rick perr
to the catholic church. >> as i said about john paul, they came to see him. benedi benedict, they came to hear him. i think that will be his legacy. >> reporter: when the pope resigns at the end of the month, he'll continue to live the rest of his life at the vatican. some time in march the cardinals will gather to choose his successor. reporting live here in san jose, bob redell, nbc bay area news. >>> in the meantime, archbishop salvatore cordileone just announced this statement, quote, on behalf of the priests, religious and lay faithful of the archdiocese of san francisco, i express our deep gratitude to pope benedict xvi for his lifetime of tireless and self-ness service to the church. may god bless him and may god guide the college of cardinals as they choose his successor. >> on that subject, with the surprising resignation announcement coming today, vatican outsiders say they believe cardinal from ghana. is a spokesman for the church's social conscience. terkson would become the first black pope. also on the list of replacements mark uelett of the vatican who is head of the congregation of
as john paul ii's enforcer of religious doctrine. he did not like answering questions. here's abc's brian ross asking him about a sexual abuse case in 2002. >> reporter: the question was -- >> come to me when the moment is given. but not yet. >> reporter: in his almost eight-year-olds as pope, he would sometimes play the piano. he always wore his prada-style red shoes. but his passion was preaching the gospel. he's never enjoyed being an administrator and he paid a price for that. his papacy will be remembered for its scandals. those endless sexual abuse coverups that cost more than $3 billion to settle. a string of financial scandals. benedict tried and failed to clean up corruption. and the notorious vatileaks scandal, with daily exposes in italian newspapers, a vatican back-stabbing in intrigue. he may have been the first pope to tweet, but as the leader, he tried to hold back the forces of modernity, refusing to expand the role of women. now, though, he is accepting the reality of the modern world. and the catholic church enters new territory. can the church cope with having an ex-pop
of crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics but he is considered more of an intellectual and somebody who is never emotional like john paul the ii. still heartfelt by his devotees. >> all the cardinals are there. >> they are pretty much all here and they have had the time to gather because of his resignation which was announced a couple of weeks ago. the first formal meeting will happen on monday. only then will they decide what day to establish the conclaf and then they will start their secret deliberations. we are told around the 9th, 10th, 11th of march. >> all week we have been focusing on the controversy in cardinal mahoney's role in electing of the new pope. he has been stripped after thousands of pages revealed his role in shielding priests from justice. the nauseating story from 360's gary tuckman. >> reporter: the first time is when he helped bring them to the ashch diocese of los angeles. the ashch bishop of mexico city wanted him gone because of his quote homosexual problem. tho
suffering is meant to respond to that. he's well aware of what john paul ii did, for instance, stay in office until the very end, suffering physically. and in an extreme and public way was legitimate. he's saying, given the situation -- >> and as you look back over his -- >> such that he's -- so far. >> excuse me, father. as you look back over his papacy, what will he will remembered most for? >> i think he'll be remembered, above all, as a teaching pope for his books about the life, his encyclicals. the books about the life of jesus have been profound. it will take years to unpack all of the profundity of his thought. he's done a great service to the church already in his service to john paul ii. >> father john wauck, thank you very much. the first pope to have an account on twitter. >> the first pope ever to tweet. he's 85 years old. pope john paul ii was 84 when he died. wlerned after he died he considered twice resigning because of his ill health. this sets up a political process with the conclave electing the next pope. dan harris joining us on this discussion. it was a quick p
this happened eight years ago when john paul died. you have this uncertainty. but you also have this other thing which is entirely new. 8:00 tonight, it's over. >> and to a certain extent, the pope and his cardinals are writing the rule books as we go along. one of these issues is, how much fanfare does the pope want as he says his good-bye. we saw the final audience yesterday. he had this emotional meeting with the cardinals this morning. is this the good-bye that he wanted? >> this is the good-bye, definitely. i mean, the people cheering right now are people in the secular state who work where i do. just two floors above where they are, the domicile. i think it's important that they were able to say good-bye. they didn't want anything huge. he had that with the audience. he's not somebody that likes big celebrations in general. i think it's only right that the people who worked with him, his clollaborators got to give him sendoff. >> as we watch his ride to the top of the hill to a white helicopter. a short ride to castel gandolfo, about 20 miles out of rome, it's his residence. and then the p
discussion earlier in the day. the cardinal made this comment. he said, john paul led the church to the end because he was convinced that one doesn't come down from the cross. a lot of people interpreted that as essentially the pope taking the easy way out. he's elderly, he's tired and so he's going to retire. >> i think that would be a bad way to look at this. these are two decisions in conscious made by two men of conscious. john paul ii's decision to live his dying publically was his last great teaching moment and the world responded to that in a remarkable way. benedict xvi thought it wouldn't play out that way and he was not going to hold the stage simply to hold the stage. he was going to make a humble act of acceptance of what he believes is god's will. >> is he making the decision about when the conclave will start? there are a lot of people who will wait the 15 days. normally it would be a period of mourning, but the pope has not died. >> i find this frankly ratherer puzzling myself. i'm told the decision was made by the dean of the college of cardinals and the guy who runs the chu
benedict who stepped in and became pope after pope john paul ii, the iconic pope of the 20th century, stepped down. of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure replaced by pope benedict who has had a very short tenure and now is stepping down in a way that a lot of popes don't step down before they die. >> short tenure, and it's going to be scrutinized for some of the issues you raised. to me now thinking forward, it's going to be a very big story for catholics and others around the world including the question of will it be another european? there's going to be pressure to look to another region of the country as there was last time. i th
all, we know his predecessor, john paul ii, wasn't this good health for the last several months and people wondered would it be time for him to step down. he's done the noble thing. >> and you know of course people will speculate right away is this the noble thing, is it truly what he's saying. or is it something more to which you were alluding earlier, there has been so many crises during his papacy, the butler who leaked the documents, the book written because of it with all the problems, financial problems. you can't use a credit card right now at the vatican because the banks are suspicious of money laundering. there are a lot of problems within the vatican. do you suspect that could have anything to do with this? >> i think all of that and more quite frankly. he's 85 years of age. how many world leaders function at 85. >> we've had popes who was too old, too sick to almost even speak and yet went to his death reigning as pope. >> and i think this is better. from one lay american's perspective, i don't think we want to see another instance as much as we love pope john paul i
actually wanted to retire before he became pope. that pope john paul ii really needed him and wanted him around and discouraged him from those very thoughts. it is said that he will be leaving that congregation of cloistered nuns in the vatican. there he will pray and probably write. bill. >> bill: amy kellogg, thank you. reportingreporting from rome lie tonight in that fox report. president obama's offering appreciation and prayers for the pope. now he and the first lady have warm memories of their meeting with the holy father in 2009 at the time a spokesman said the pope was very impressed with the president and for his part the president said he looked forward to a very strong relationship between the united states and the vatican. today, the president said in part, quote: the church plays a critical role in the united states and the world and i wish the best of those who will soon gather to choose his holiness pope benedict the xvith successor. house speaker john boehner said the prayers and gratitude of american catholics are with pope benedict xvi today. our team fox coverage cont
was elected as a caretaker pope. following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he had to focus on the apology, the fact that he had actually met individually in his role as cardinal ratzinger investigating some of the problems of the abuse in the american church. >> he did go some way in terms of, you know, issuing an apology from the pope as a pretty lofty ideal, but, many of the, we still have a problem, many of the, worldwide with the sex scandal and the catholic church. they haven't addressed it at all levels. the vatican can pools. they can set lawsuits. there are a lot of damaged people out there who were basically abused as children, and no matt
for being more consived than john paul 2nd. many say he is more scholarly. and sought to return the church to its roots and left a church reeling with sex scandals and declipping numbers. what else are experts saying about the legacy? >> well, he led the catholic church, of course, for seven years, ten months, and nine days, in total. a not insignificant time. experts all say he will be seen as a transitional rather than a transformational pope. that is not to say some of his actions weren't significant, though. for instance, they say that his outreach to the muslim world, including visiting the blue mosque in turkey, was a very significant action, and, according to greg tobin, he was the first pope to truly face up to see sex abuse scandal. listen. >> he will bled as someone who did more than anyone else before him, that's foresheet. john paul ii left a legacy of inaction and avoidance, and benedict faced it head on and before he became pope he was aware of many of these cases, and he also engaged in a personal outreach to victims in a way that no one has -- very few bishops in the world
. >> it is a valid opinion and that is what john paul ii did but i think if my opinion this is really an act of boldness on the part of this pope and, also, an act of great humility. >> the church will turn its attention to the successor, and a bay area man will be part of that decision. the cardinal will be in voting on the next pope. >> a lot of times someone who is appointed a cardinal which 10 great thing in itself never gets to vote for a pope so this is a big deal. >> the archbishop of san francisco released a written statement praising the pope for his service and the archdiocese says parishes will pray for the pope and his successor. >> a clergyman from california will vote even for the next pope, although he is banned from public duties because of the way he handle the sexual abuse cases. cardinal mahony headed the archdiocese of los angeles and the current archbishop banished him from duties after he found out he dismissed sexual abuse cases of priests. >> after the resignation on february 28, a secret group of cardinals begins in 15 to 20 days in manner. the vatican hopes to have
yosef razinger was 75 years old when he became pope following the death of pope john paul ii. benedict xvi was a conservative pope. he strongly worked for his control. he faced the generation and joined twitter last year. he took his turn on handling sexual abuse scandals to an investigation of money launderring in the vatican city. he accused his butler of stealing and leaking documents that pointed to corruption in the vatican. the pope pardoned him over christmas. it's rare for a pope to resign. pope benedict is the first to quit in nearly 600 years. senior members of the catholic church will now start planning their conclave, the meeting they hold to choose a successor. leaders around the world are reacting to the resignation. she had the highest respect for the pope's decision. >> translator: pope benedict xvi is and will continue to be one of the most important religious thinkers of the age. >> u.s. president barack obama extended thanks and prayers to the pope. obama said he appreciated their work together over the last four years and hoped a successor will be chosen smoothly. t
eight years ago, and certainly three decades ago when john paul ii was elected. this is a church that is very heavily in latin america. about 42% of catholics are in latin america now. they're growing as well in africa. only 25% in europe, but more than half of the cardinals who will come here to vatican city and who will announce a new pope are from europe. so, here's the big question. will there be a different kind of pope? there are candidates from latin america, some are talking about america's timothy dolan but most talk has been on cardinal from nigeria. we're still waiting to hear exactly when that conclave will take place. >> chris, you were there eight years ago when pope benedict was chosen. now there as he abdicates. chris jansing live in rome. >>> turning to weather, some connecticut residents are still digging out from this weekend's big weekend. hamden they cleared 3 feet of snow. some are upset secondary roads were not plowed but the heavy snowfall overwhelmed city work cruise. the storm is blamed for 18 deaths in the u.s. and canada. speaking of weather, let's go
wisely and so i have asked him to step forward and i have asked john paul s ema h a who has been on our treasure island and watch what he is going to do because that is a new part of our city and it's one where if he conducts all of the work that he is going to do as a commissioner on treasure island, he is go to get a lot more treasure island to serve the that you saws of small residents that are a part of it and so we are seeking more fault and please step forward and represent our communities proudly and i'm very willing to work with all of you and on behalf of our city and on behalf of this wonderful celebration that we have, i call upon on our coaches for the arab heritage celebration, jeff who's here as well as l u b n a to please come on up and receive and just again, thank you very much for your work in the film festival and l u b n a for the wonderful leader ship that you have and devise that you are giving to he to run a vibrant culture center and i hopey that you are able to get a larger cultural center is because the population is going and i hopey that we are able to get yo
's a need for someone who has managerial skills, in terms of running the ship of state. neither john paul ii nor benedict were managers by nature. >> reporter: benedict's failures made public in documents leaked by his butler last year, laying out the betrayals and infighting in the vatican bureaucracy known as the curia, obscuring the pope's message and hurting his efforts to revitalize the church. how much of that can be blamed on the curia? >> i think most of it, frankly. >> reporter: george weigle, nbc's vatican analyst, says that leaves the next pope with a crucial task. >> he has to find someone who can clean house and who can make the curia an instrument of what we call the new evangelization, not an impediment to it. >> reporter: still up in the air, the date when the cardinals will actually start getting down to work to choose a new successor. currently, the conclave is scheduled to start some time between march 15th and march 20th, but the vatican says that date could be moved up. lester? >> anne thompson in rome tonight. thank you. >>> here in this country, parts of the northeast
the new pope to continue that and continue to use worked started by john paul ii. >> i would like a young girl pope coming under than the current one. i would like more forms to get women involved in the church. >> many here believe things have to change, especially to stop the solution catholics from turning their backs on the church. >> for more and are, john, we just heard about the fact that some german catholics are looking for more reform. how is that scene? >> it's a very german phenomenon actually. there is criticism and even hostility toward the catholic church in other countries and far less demands for theological reforms. in upper cook, it is a very on critical atmosphere. >> how likely is it that we will see a non-european? >> it is very suspect. they have not voted along geographic lines. if they had come and the latin americans would not have elected cardinal ratzinger seven years ago. >> western societies seem somewhat removed from the church. where is this going? >> it's a very old institution, isn't it? let me tell you is story. in the beginning of the fifth century, the
benedict had big shoes to fill in 2005 when cardinals chose him to succeed john paul ii. one of his biggest tasks was responding to the priest sexual abuse scandal. >> indeed, i am deeply sorry. >> reporter: pope benedict issued an apology to victims and said the church made serious mistakes. today the pontiff called his choice reresign "a decision of great importance for the life of the church" and said he will dedicate the rest of his life to prayer. contend, to replace him include the archbishops of vienna and milan, cardinal timothy dolan of new york is a long shot. >> what happens next at the vatican? >> reporter: what happens next is that the vatican will announce a date for the conclave which is when the world's voting cardinals will come to rome to vote for the next pope. in the meantime, the pope says he will continue to work doing what he normally does. >> anna matranga live at the vatican, thank you so much. >>> and the pope's decision is drawing varied reactions from catholics here in san francisco. some are concerned about the timing
of these cardinals were appointed by benedict xvi, and the others were appointed by john paul 7. it will be about who they want to see in that position. they will crumbly be very similar to the ideas. tavis: this is a very big issue, but because this program is viewed nationally and internationally, for that matter, and because the pope is an international icon, this local story has become a national story because of the implications. i had no idea that cardinal mahony, who was in charge of the l.a. archdioceses, that cardinal, who is no longer in that position, but apparently still retains a vote for the next pope, so, ok. i get the part that once a cardinal, you still get a chance to vote for the next pope. i get back. what was stunning to me is that he gets to retain that vote when he is under a cloud of suspicion for payoffs and other stuff, allegedly, when he was in charge of the archdiocese's around the sex scandal issue, and stuff is coming out more and more every day about what he knew and what he did and what they try to hide, etc., etc., and with all respect to that cardinal, he gets to go
at the basilica of st. dorris, pop john paul, ii greeted some of the 900 guests and then approached the nine pews of aids patients and certainly the most moving moment came when 4- year-old brendon o'rourke in his father's arms reached out to hug the holy father. >>> little brendan contracted aids from a blood transfusion at birth. the pope then moved to other aids suffers, most of them gay. it was the first time the leader of the catholic church has met directly with aids suffers. ♪ [ music ] [ applause ] >> from there the pope went alone to pray in the old mission, the oldest building in san francisco. >>> in prepared remarks the pope proclaimed the unconditional and everlastthing love of god for all people, dwelling at lengths on sin and forgiveness. he did not mention homosexuality and only once refered to aids suffers. >> be last, those of you who are sick, those who are suffering from aids and from aids related complex -- >> but it wasn't what the pope said publicly the faithful catholics here will most remember, it was the way the holy father personally moved each one of them. [ singing
the hottest sellers so far. and while pope benedict may be in the spotlight, pope john paul ii merchandise is the favorite among shoppers. he was certainly a favorite and on many people's minds. >> i was in rome, and the line was so long, and i didn't want to wait in line. >> amazon. >> that's true. you can order anything. >> can you get anything on that site. >>> time for an early look at what's coming up ahead and a look back. senators who disagree with the president on how to overhaul immigration will take their ideas to the top. nbc news has learned that republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham will head to the white house later today for talks on immigration. today marks the 20th anniversary of the deadly world trade center attack of 1993. six people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured when a bomb in the parking garage of the world trade complex. the bomb left a crater 60 feet wide and caused a collapse of several steel-reinforced concrete floors in the vicinity of that explosion. >>> on a much lighter note, singer michael bolton turns 60 years old today. >>> all da
for the funeral of john paul back in 2005. that was a funeral and this is a different time in the church. the pope is driving through st. peter's square to wave to the faithful. he will have another meeting with cardinals in the morning. he will be speaking to his -- to the people that will select a successor. this is the last time that the pope will have such direct contact with the people. he is driving around among the crowd. a little earlier, the last speech that he will make in front of the people. many issues, he talked about truth. that is interesting when we consider all the things that have been coming out of the vatican and how many people suspect the pope is standing down because he is not strong enough to get a handle all the things happening within the vatican. let's speak to our resident vatican experts. you're listening to that speech about half an hour ago. what did you think were the most notable passages? >> it is importance -- it is important the weight of the papacy. >> there was one bed where he mentioned the dual role of the -- one bit worried mentions the dual role of the po
. john paul ii had more charisma. >> contra races were coming up -- controversy was coming up. i think he handled them with wisdom. >> the wise are normally the old people. >> time now to return our attention to some other international news. supporters are calling it a revolution, but critics are lashing out at the new eu agreement to cap bonuses. it is aimed at a re-piece of the financial crisis. >> those in favor say it will address public anger about the role played by the banks and the economic meltdown. those against it, notably britain's -- britons, say that it will drive talent out of europe. >> the talks took more than 10 months. negotiators managed to clinch the deal despite opposition from the uk. at present, bankers can receive bonuses of as much as 20 times their basic salary. under the new rules, which can come into effect next year, they could be -- capped at one year's salary. >> most important thing is that banks will be stabilized, that a are better able to withstand the crisis -- that they are better able to withstand the crisis. >> it shows we are implementing what we
at the basilica. pope john paul, ii warmly greeted those along the center aisle of the church some of the 700 invited guests. he approached the it pews of aids patients and the most moving moment brendan 0 rourke reached out to hug the holy father. little brendan contributed aids from a blood transfusion at birth. the pope then moved to other aids sufferers most of them gay. it was the first time the leader of of the catholic church has met directly with aids sufferers. from there the pope went alone to pray in the old mission, the oldest building in san francisco. in prepared remarks the pope proclaimed the unconditional and everlasting love of god for all people dwelling at length on sin and for giveness. he did not mention homosexuality and only once referred to aids sufferers. >> those of you who are sick, those who are suffering from aids and from aids related conflicts. >> reporter: it wasn't what the pope said publicly the faithful catholics will most remember, it's the way the holy father personally moved each one of them. . >> this has been the best day of my life. >> gave him a
of responsibilities. still, john paul ii, at the end, one of us -- was unable to watkins began still carried on until he died. pope benedict xvi decided to go against all the rules as the last poll that resigned and that was in the 13th century. this suggests to give way to a younger pope that maybe has got more strength and stamina to carry on with the church as mission. >> for continuing coverage of the pope paul's credit -- resignation, log onto wbaltv.com and you can take a look back at his career. this afternoon, mayor stephanie raleigh's blake will give an evaluation of baltimore in her state of the city address and will discuss the 10-year fiscal forecast which recently showed the city needs to make mustard -- need to make major budget changes. it's the city's -- -- get this city stays in its current spending trajectory, it will be the -- in the whole within 10 years. economists said they cannot tax more. they said the mayor will announce major cuts and she has given hands of the changes and that will include eliminating the structural deficit and altering the city's tax structure to make balt
music all day. they waited for john, paul, george, and ringo to arrive and then later, there was a performance right here in washington, d.c. >>> lawmakers in britain have passed a bill requiring every dog owner to microchip their pet. the move is designed to cut down on the more than 100,000 dogs that are lost or dumped in the u.k. every year. >> reporter: judy maguire has a tight grip on her west highland terrier. >> she's pretty g. she stays by -- pretty good. she stays by. >> reporter: but if she did run off, there's a good chance her owner would find her because she has a microchip inside her. lawmakers in england are now requiring all dogs to be fitted with a chip that's coded with their owner's details. >> i want this to have a positive impact. there are 110,000 dogs get lost every year or get dumped. only about half of them get back to their original owners. >> reporter: the mandate goes into effect in three years. owners who don't comply could be slapped with an $800 fine. many animal shelters in england will put the chip in for free. it's tiny, just the size
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succeeded john paul, ii. one of his biggest tasks is responding to the priest scandal. today they called it a decision of great importance for the life of the church and said he will dedicate the rest of his life to prayer. >> as you can imagine the pope's announcement sent shock waives around the world. our complete coverage continues outside the catholic center downtown. mike schuh has more on what the archbishop of baltimore said. good afternoon. >> reporter: good afternoon. in short, it come s as a shock. the arch diaces had an arranged news conference within the past hour. arch bishop lori said he was plan -- planning a quiet morning. >> at a news conference the arch diaces of baltimore respected the decision. >> my single task this morning is to request the prayers of the faithful of the arch diaces of baltimore and the prayers of all women and men of goodwill for pope benedict as he concludes his long and loving service to the church. >> earlier after morning mass i shared the news with this person. >> i'm sort of very surprised. i guess i'm sort of shocked. i've never heard of a
the long decline of pope john paul xxii who held on and on as his health clung on as well. a conclave is expected to select a new pope sometime before the end of march. >> mark phillips, thank you. we want to go to allen pizzey. he is on the phone in rome. the last time someone resigned was pope gregory xii in 1415. how is rome reacting? >> reporter: it's interesting. there is no reaction so to speak. i'm actually walking down toward st. peter's square. i just got out of the taxi. i told the driver the news. he said, oh, i thought i heard that on the radio. that's too bad. there's no sign of unusual activity in st. peter's square. the usual crowds milling about standing in line waiting to get in. i think it will take a couple of days. people will start immediately wonder, of course, who next. that's always the guessing game. people make liflts of who can be the next pope. we're sort of slowly compiling our lists, but i haven't heard of anybody who's picked a front-runner. the pope took everybody by surprise. as mark said, it's interesting he chose to step down when he felt he could no
dolan said benedict added -- had a tough act to follow. >> he shrugged and said compared to john paul ii, i do not know i am up to this. he has done well for almost eight years. gretzky -- it is expected the vatican will hold a conclave to select a new pope before easter. >> there is a lot of speculation about whether the next leader of the church will be younger or maybe from a developing country. >> more than 1 billion people identify as catholic. maybe another surprise is in store when the cardinals elect his successor. >> members of the archdiocese will be paying close attention to the vatican. for more on that, we're joined from cathedral mary our queen in north baltimore. >> baltimore's tarja. that -- archbishop is commending the pope. by recognizing his limitations. many are talking about who would be best suited to succeed the probe. >> i do not think it would be an american. >> the pope is to be aunifin unifying figure. >> he believes the next pope may be from a developing part of the world. >> the church is growing leaps and bounds. in africa as well as latin america. and head
feature pope john paul ii. they expect a big demand of memorabilia of the new pope once he's announced. the election is also expected to bring an economic boom to rome. >> social services, all our security. >> reporter: four million pilgrims came for the last conclave in 2005. the city of rome is getting ready for the same number this time. danielle nottingham, cbs news, the vatican. >>> howard has the valentine's day forecast next. >> jc, started out to be a sweet afternoon across the region after a messy morning. we'll take you to break with a look at these temperatures which are comfortable. winds not too bad. low to mid-40s. headed to the 50-degree mark in a few spots. i have more on a wintry possibility coming our way and a petline thursday. lab rescue is in >>> do you have your valentine's day gifts order or will you be getting them later? chocolate may be considered the old standby. that's not necessarily a bad thing. one compound in chocolate is called the molecule of love. and it can act as an aphrodisiac and enhance the mood. anita brikman tells us chocolate also contains ant
and is considering changing two laws established by a pope john paul ii. it would allow the conclave to begin earlier than current church laws allow. he steps down february tweet th. -- february 28th. there is nee you in focus on who the college of cardinals will select. the questions remain about when the conclave will convene. once they, do it's clear american cardinals are poised to have a big say in the final decision. jennifer davis has more. >> is he coming -- >> pope benedict xvi's last days as the leader of the catholic church are well-mapped out. there is confusion when the conclave can begin voting on his successor. he said pope benedict xvi could enact a new law to clarify the next steps. >> what will the cheap shepherd look like? judge -- the chief shepherd look like. >> reporter: the archbishop of washington will be one of the 116 cardinals choosing the next leader joining others from boston, philadelphia, new york, and chicago. >> a brand now experience for me to be a voting member of a conclave. >> reporter: the american influence will be unprecedented with 11 electors coming from the
buy all sorts of religious souvenirs. many items still feature pope john paul ii. the vatican expects a big demand for memorabilia of the new pope once he's announced. the election of the new pope is also expected to bring an economic boom to rome. 4million pilgrims came for the last conclave in 2005. the city of rome is getting ready for the same number this time. >> the vatican acknowledged also today for the first time that pope been didn't hit his head in a hotel room during -- benedict hit his head in a hotel room during a trip to mexico last year, but the church said that accident has nothing to do with the decision to retire. >>> a california couple talking about their encounter with the l.a. cop killer christopher dorner. dorner broke into their resort home on bear lake and surprised them from upstairs before tying them up. although they were aware of dorner's trail of violence, the reynoldss say they couldn't help but feel some compassion for the guy. >> he talked to us, trying to calm us down and saying very frequently he would not kill us, yes. >> he said i don't have a pro
elected pope john paul the ii. he shared this nugget. michael angelo's depictment of the last judgment is an important reminder for the cardinals inside. >> i'm going to be judged on how open i am to the spirit and how faithful i am to what i hear in my heart. >> represents washington, dc, he's quite familiar with politics, but apparently he's leaving that here at home. >> read the paper and watch the television, you realize how intense the politicking on capitol hill in washington is. there's nothing like that in rome. >> most expected a new pope will be chosen in time to preside over holy week and the cardinal hopes to be back here in time for those ceremonies. >> lauren demarco, thank you. >>> following a big story tonight and the fallout from yesterday's crash on the daytona international speedway. today the race went off without any major issues, but yesterday nascar was brought to a stand still after kyle larson's car hit a fence, sending debris flying into the crowd. more than 30 spectators were injured, two were in critical condition. crews worked to repair the fence. the presi
, the early favorite is the archbishop of milan angelo scola until john paul ii italians held the papacy for 50 0 years. it was the ultimate dynasty like the yankees only with less money. cardinal mark ouelette is a major front runner with one problem: he's a canadian. p.m. saying, i don't think god wants you to use a condom, aye, won't work. who wants a pope with a staff like this. [ laughter ] some are brgt on a third world pope like ghana's peter turkson who would be the first block pope of 1500 years sending a message of inclusion and virtually guaranteeing tyler perry's madea goes to rome. [cheers and applause] hello. hello. [laughter] folks, i say it's high time we had an american pope. [cheers and applause] after all -- [cheers and applause] after all, god is an american. that's why the intiebl in english. [ laughter ] and there's a great candidate. >> timothy dolan is the most powerful catholic in the country, the president of president catholic bisons. >> stephen: even more important dole january my personal bff: bishop friend forever. [cheers and applause] and tonight, tonigh
at the vatican. pope benedict carries the stigma of not being as popular as his predecessor, john paul ii. the monsignor of the shrine in washington puts it in perspective. >> christ was controversial. the things that jesus did. the way that he reached out to people. the way he talked to people. the types of people he talked to. it upsettle, many people. >> reporter: and tom roberts points out that pope benedict will be remembered as well for doing more to actually address the abuse scandal than his predecessor john paul ii ever did. wolf. >> as you know, pope benedict was also involved in a controversy in the united states over the actions of some american nuns. remind our viewers about this. >> reporter: that's right, not long ago, some american nuns challenged the church's teachings on home sexuality, on the male only priesthood. they supported obama's health care plan when the church spoke out against it. these nuns ended up being reprimanded. the nuns got a lot of support within the united states for their actions. it was controversial for the pope. he was also prompted to do that by
than eight years ago when pope benedict xvi succeeded pope john paul ii. we woke up this morning to the news he will only lead the church for a few more weeks. he will resign citing his age and lack of strength. this is the first time this has happened in 600 years. historic occasion. a lot of speculation as to who will succeed pope benedict. >> eric: you lied? it was 598 years. >> kimberly: okay. >> eric: i may have a different take on this. i think he is doing the right thing. the pope, rather than this is what happens. the pope dies and we go through the burial, the funeral, the burials. meanwhile, the group that decides who the next pope will be scrambles to hurry up and put another pope in. he is giving everyone ample time to think about it. give two weeks before he retires and they are already picking names. we have potential names. he did the right thing. look at the business. you wouldn't throw a company in to, where you lose your founder or you lose your president because he dies and they try to scram to believe figure out who will replace him, ala steve jobs. nice trans
benedict and john paul ii hopes the same pope will walk the same theological path. though pope benedict is the first in years to resign. >> he's a scholar and is relying on prayer and study. it'll just be a little unusual. >> reporter: joe rosato jr., nbc bay area news. >>> coming up at 6:30 a live report with reaction from other bay area catholics as well as the potential candidate to become the next pope. >>> the school district is investigating allegations of an inappropriate student/teacher relationship according to "the contra costa times." investigators were made aware on friday. the teacher has been placed on administrative leave. the information to the alameda county sheriff's office. well, they are walking into your neighborhood just hours after the burglars walk away with your stuff. home security companies. and the south bay's biggest one is knocking on your door. is that for business or preying on victims? damian trujillo was there when one alarm company arrived just today, damian. >> reporter: yeah. you know what. there's no denying it, jessica. i, too, looked online and fo
. he says the pope didn't act until he received an explicit order from pope john paul ii. >> he was not really able to do much when he was still. john paul the second tended to be more skeptical about all the the accusations of sexual abuse. >>reporter: he says when benedict was elected in 2005 he was more willing to take action against these priests. and make it more public. lennon abused when he was 13 says he hopes a new pope will bring accountability to the catholic church. >> i can only hope it's an opportunity for the church to demonstrate a morale authority as opposed to being in the dungeon of the vial corruption that it is now. >> this scan today has cost the catholic church more than 2 billion dollars in settlement. in san francisco, abc 7 news. >> one clergy man from california plans to vote for the next pope even though he has been banned from public duties because of the way he handles sexual abuse cases. cardinal roger mahoney used to head the archdiocese of los angeles. he was ban he should from most duties after it was revealed he mishandled cases involving
, in our lifetime, pope paul the vi was in his 80s and pope john paul ii was 85. it depends. it depends. what the cardinals are looking for, what the cardinals are seeking in someone to take pope benedict's place, in my mind, we watched pope john paul become a grandfather. pope benedict walked out on the world stage as a grandfather, it was a interesting and different experience of his fatherly qualities, as you know, from having met him, the gentle kind way that he had. but, you know, i think that depends on what the college of cardinals is looking for. pope benedict was a teacher and he spent his time teaching and he taught well and with great clarity. so, it is a matter of preference of the college of cardinals and as we believe in the church the working of the holy spirit. >> we will stay in close touch with you, bishop. thank you so much, and thank you for everything that you have done. thanks for inviting me to catholic university, i appreciate it and thank you for coming here to the situation room. >> it was great to be with you, wolf, you take care. god bless. >> a guy with a un
pope john paul died and then when the next conclave elected pope benedict xvi. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics, but he's considered more of a professor, more of a theologian, more of an intellectual, someone who was more of an intellectual than pope john paul. >> any idea when the conclave will begin to select the new pope? they're all there. >> reporter: they are pretty much all here, and they had a time to gather at his resignation, which was announced a couple weeks ago. they're not all here yet, and we understand that the first formal meeting of all the cardinals will happen on monday, and only then will they decide what date to actually establish the first day of the conclave, and at that point those cardinals who are eligible to vote will start their secret deliberations. we're not sure when. we're told somewhere potentially around the 9th, 10th, 11th of march. >> christiane, i appreciate it. >>> he's been stripped of public duties after thousands of pages, thousands of pages of internal church documents revealed his role a
john paul or this pope -- is there any sense of appetite given these issues that are, you no, tearing apart the church in many ways, that there's going to be change. there a mandate for the new pope to do something that will be meaningful and effective? >> well, michael, actually, to be honest, it's not just most it is all of the 115 cardinals who will vote in the conclave who are were appointed by john paul ii or pope benedict xvi. the things like ordination of women in the priesthood, i do not believe it's realistic to think that whoever emerges from the sistine chapel is the next pope of the catholic church is going to overturn church teachings on those points. i do think what is perhaps not only realistic, but quite probable, is that one thing that is very much going to be on the minds of the cardinals who are electing the next pope, whatever else they do, it is critical to make sure whoever they pick has a profile of having clean hands on the crisis, that is, he has to come across as part of the solution to this crisis rather than part of the problem. >> john, thanks so much for
predecessor pope john paul ii. americans are saying perhaps there needs to be a new direction. 51% say it should stay the same. what sort of reforms do you think should happen? >> you're asking me the $64 million question. but i think definitely we have to keep continuing to involve the laypeople. we don't have enough priests. we should have more priests. we should work on that. the holy father has done that. bishops around the country, around the world have done that. we haven't done it well enough. we must keep praying for it. we must keep attracting the young people, priests and religious, too. we need wonderful religious women to continue the teaching functions, the peacemaking function of our world. >> do you think, as some have subjected, including cardinal o'brien because of the problems that he's in, have decided not to come to this conclave but he said that he thought it was time that priests should be allowed to marry. that discussion should happen. 58% of american catholics think the priests should be allowed to marry. can you imagine that happening and do you think that wou
studio. >> but the idea was with pope john paul ii, he had been ill for many years. the cardinals were aware of what their responsibilities were going to be. we're hearing from most cardinals this took them totally by surprise. >> i think that's correct. he left also the cardinals in rome stunned. only about three people probably knew about it. his own personal secretary and probably also the dean of the college of cardinals. >> how does that affect then the fact that this is almost a shock to them in making the decision on who will be the next pope? >> when john paul ii was ill, basically they knew what was coming. so they had time to prepare, to talk, to look at the challenges and to look at candidates, possible candidates. that is now not the case. yes, of course, people have been looking at the pope-- >> we're going to put up a list of some of those being considered. is age going to be a factor? this pope was 78 when he was being considered, very old, most cardinals have to retire after age 80. will age be a factor in the decision? >> it might or might not be. the reason i say it m
remains really quite popular, even though he succeeded the wildly popular, john paul. >> it's very startling. unprepared for. >> cardinal whirl was with the pope in october and had no sign that the pontiff was struggling with his duty. >> he was in full possession. >> part of the conclave that will select the next pope. and he says he will be looking for continuity with the conservative teachings of benedict and john paul. >> there's a basic doctrine that is bedrock or catholic faith. >> but many american catholics are pushing for change, including david lawrence of bowie, who was abused by his priest and guidance counselor at a catholic high school. >> at 16? >> by an adult priest. >> lauren says pope benedict offered comforting words. >> this pope has done nothing. >> but that he has failed to punish bishops for hiding abusive priests and for covering up the sexual abuse of children that is tearing the church apart. >> this thing is going to haunt them from now, for another thousand years until they stand up and address it and come clean. >> some catholic see the resi
is going to resign his position. the end of the month. and, you know, he succeeded john paul ii who has rushed to make a saint. wrongly so, i think. not that he doesn't deserve it. you need some time. also the pope has said this is not the first -- not the first pope to retire. popes can retire. we are used to popes dying in. right? and most of them have. but a little quick research as we were getting ready to come on the air which is why i am not fully in uniform yet this morning. i will take care of this right now, the last pope i could find to resign was pope gregory xii. >> i don't remember him. >> bill: you wouldn't. back in the 15th century around 1415 or so there have been maybe a half a dozen popes to resign. he is the last one i could find. >> wow. >> yeah. there are a lot of explanations out there on twitter, supposedly for the vatican sort of indirectly saying it's for health reasons. he doesn't have the strength to serve in this role any more. so we don't know exactly what that means. there were rumors when he would resign when his butler wa
to function. even john john paul ii. what is it about this pope that he decided to step down? >> i think there are a couple of things going on there. with john paul ii he knew he was dying. i don't think benedict is so seriously ill that he's going to die but he could -- you know, live for another 10 years. he's got an older brother. and being in the papacy and not to be up for the job. so i think he decided that it was best for the church to go at this point and let someone else carry the burden. >> bill: now as "the new york times" says, the church is at a crossroads in the sense that where the church used to be strong, it is not so much anymore and it is in a developing world in africa and in south america and in asia where the church is showing great growth. what does that say about a future pope? >> well, there's two theories here. one is you go and find somebody from africa where the church is truly growing. on the other hand, the other theory is no, you look for someone who can deal with the problems of the church, where it has real big problems, namely europe where it is in decli
not been the most popular pope. he followed in the footsteps of john paul the ii who was such a global superstar. upon his departure a lot of people are feeling that they didn't really know what they would be missing. they've come to appreciate his cerebral intellect, his kindness, his gentle necessary and we spoke to gregg burke a short while ago, here is what he had to say about today. >> it's sad to see the pope leave saint peters, but on the other hand it's beautiful to see the pope happy and at peace. you can tell he is somebody who has been struggling physically. to think okay i'm not baggy to have all this weight on my shoulders is beautiful. >> gregg of course, one of our colleagues now working at the senior communications adviser for the vatican, very much in tune of what is going on and talked a lot about the serenity the pope is feeling now. there will be a short ceremony with the swiss guards. you may have seen footage of them colorfully dressed. that is the papal protection squad and the pope will board the helicopter to castle gandolfo where he will become pope emeritus a
's -- he succeeded pope john paul ii who was extremely popular and who reigned for over 20 years and did extensive amounts of traveling endured especially by young -- endeared especially by young people and there was an assassination attempt on him and he forgave the person who wanted it three to -- who wanted to try to shoot hill. it's been an interesting reign for the pope. it's just about to end. >> they say many at the vatican were stunned by the news he was resigning. there were others who saw it as a sign of humility and humanity, a fact that he was being rationle that he didn't feel he would -- rational, that he didn't feel he would do the job anymore. >> and there were concerns that he couldn't deal with some of the scandals that started to rock the catholic church. he just maintained it was for his health and purely humble reasons that he wanted to step down and step april side. once again, a -- aside. once again a beautiful picture from the helipad. which i guess you don't see very often outside of the vatican, outside of the walls of vatican. >> as we watch these live picture,
said about humility. when we look at john paul ii's end, many people came away with his public suffering and death as thinking he's teaching us how to die. and now look at this pope. he's teaching us how to be humble. i think it's a beautiful lesson from pope benedict. >> george, it's a complicated question. but in a word as briefly as you can, how do you see pope benedict's legacy? >> he's the pope who completed the work of the second council. with his predecessor gave that council an authoritative representation. they opened the door to the church of the third millennium, or as i've called it angel kal catholicism. benedict xvi will be the last pope to attend vatican two. so we're in an end moment. but he's prepared us well to walk through the door into an evangelical future. >> i want to pursue that catholic evangelicalism. i remember cardinal ratzinger before he became pope talked about making another stab at getting europeans back into the catholic church. making europe a less secular society. did he succeed? or is it just too difficult? >> well, he clearly made it one of
political relevant today in some ways that it's ever been. think about it. we saw during john paul's reign that he played a central role in the collapse of european communism by inspiring the solidarity movement in poland. the people's power movement in the philippines that brought down the marxist regime would never have happened without the political involvement of the catholic church. scholars these days are writing books about the revenge of god, that religion is making a comeback as a political player. two-thirds of the 1.2 billion catholics in the world today live outside the west, and most live in societies where religion is critically important, so, yeah, i would say there's still some gas left in the church's political gas tank. >> john, real quickly, only a couple of seconds left here, but what do you know specifically in regards to what they are looking for for a pope? stances on abortion, same-sex marriage, that kind of thing. >> reporter: well, all these cardinals have been appointed by john paul and benedict so they are all in agreement on the main. of course they are looking
john paul ii. this decision means that the catholic church will be without a pope for a period of time until the cardinals can select a new successor. live in san francisco, cate caugiran, kpix 5. >>> a manhunt continues in southern california for the ex- lapd officer they say has already killed three people. a reported sighting in northridge was a false alarm. it's now been eight days since police say christopher dorner killed his first two victims. lapd was on high alert for the grammys. los angeles officials announced a $1 million reward and it cops as the search for the former officer winds down in the mountains east of l.a. meantime, l.a.'s police chief has reopened an investigation into the circumstances of dorner's firing. >> if he was to give himself up, we would be glad to listen to what he has to say. >> dorner claims he was fired for reporting a fellow officer for excessive force. the last clue investigators have of dorner's whereabouts was thursday when they found his burned pickup truck near a mountain resort. >> one man was kille
, will it be a pope outside of europe? there hasn't been an italian pope since before john paul ii, who is polish and then we had our german pope with pope benedict. could it be an african pope, latin pope, a younger pope, and also a pope that could lead the church out of these sex abuse scandals. >> what's the possibility of it being a pope with a bit more diversity? >> it's quite likely. it could happen. but it's always been difficult to predict who the next pope will be. and often times the predictions run afoul. they turn out not to be correct. >> okay. so how does the catholic church -- how does the vatican then shake this bad press? and to move forward, to look for the next pope? >> well, i think that the cardinals who are tasked with the selection of the next pope have a big task. and they will be sequestered in the sistine chapel, and they will, according to the rules, pray and try to select the next pope through prayer, politicking is looked down upon. but before they go into the chapel, they hear two sermons about the future of the church and what the next pope should be attending to. s
benedict is no longer the pope, he has to give up the shoes but remember, john paul ii wore the red shoes for a couple weeks early on in his pontificate, then wore brown ones. the pope can really do what he wants. he's the supreme pontiff, the supreme ruler of the church and he kind of can make the rules himself and benedict made these himself today. >> interesting. although as you said, raymond, i say this, you know, can't change the doctrine, right? you do everything. >> can't do that. he can protect the doctrine but not amend it. >> let me talk about one other thing. he wears a ring, fisherman's ring. describe it to me and why he's going to actually destroy it. it looks kind of fluorescent green or yellow on his finger. >> now, this goes back to 1265. pope clement iv referenced this ring in one of his letters to a nephew. it is the sign and seal of his office. when you look closely, you are seeing a picture there, it is a bas relief of st. peter leaning over the edge of the boat pulling in fish. this shows and indicates that the pope, whoever wears this ring, is the successor of st. pe
, especially considering that he comes after john paul ii, a man at 85 who was able to neither walk or speak really was mumble, towards the end of his life. pope benedict is saying i don't have it anymore. i don't have the strength anymore to bear the -- my mission to carry on the catholic church. >> claudio, is there concern or some speculation that there might be more to the story than that? is there some concern that in fact, there is some health situation that we are not aware of? >> there is a concern. pope benedict xvi has been weak. we never really got his health situation from the vatican. the vatican has always been very secretive about the health of any pope really. we don't really know the extent of the health problems that pope benedict xvi might be suffering right now. but certainly or hopefully we will get to know much more during the next hours. >> talk to me about how the process unfolds. i any a lot of us are familiar with what happens in the tragic event or unfortunate event that a pope passes away. but what would the process be like now if he has now told the world that
's a surprise to me. when pope john pal pope john paul iiwas was ailing they said it was possible for a pope to resign, but i didn't expect it. i think the timing was a surprise if nothing else. >> john: indeed, we heard of his schedule of travel and meetings has not been altered and it has caught even his closest associates by surprise. he referred to the sexual scandals as fifth in the church and that's that's a filth that cost the church. do you think that has anything to do with his resigning? >> that is possible. the number of children and families that have been devastated by it is horrific. we can't really put a price tag on that. i think maybe that weighed on the pope to some extent. the fact that atoning for that sin has been something that the church has not effectively done, the leadership has not effectively done, and we need to do more. >> john: to say nothing of the amount of lay people and catholic who is were driven away from the church in disgust of how it was handled all those years. >> absolutely. the fact that it was hidden, and that perpetrators were just moved around ha
to meet the pope then john paul the 2nd. then what happened happened and my mother found herself representing bill clinton to the pope. >> how exciting for her. >> it was a challenge. >> i guess it was. >> e.j. this morning quotes somebody who says the most noted earnize i earnizing -- modernizing thing this pope did was to retire, get out of the way. could it be at this modern age a pope just can't afford to be seen frail and weakened in the 24/7 news cycle? are we moving beyond the days? >> i don't think that's necessarily true. john paul felt strongly he wanted the world to see him in a sickened state because that was humanity. that he was setting an example of someone who was frail and feeble and carrying on. i think this pope, you know, has decided to set a different example. we'll see what this precedent means. does it mean future popes have to be pushed out? does he have influence after a new pope is manamed? we're in unchartered waters. >> and in quite a while, we'll see -- >> they have their own camp david. >> with the choicloisted nuns. they'll probably get better food.
john paul the second. >> many people are inside and went to bed last night and the pope was still there later in the wake up this morning and realize the clock is ticking on them. he only has a couple of weeks left on the job. joining me is sister maggie, you attend mass here. your thoughts? this is not happen in 600 years. you wake up this morning and you hear he is stepping down, where you thinking? >> i was shocked, i have to admit. this was the first time this is happened in over 600 years like you said. i also admire the man because he is being honest with himself and with the world. he has tremendous responsibility and realizes that physically he can no longer do it. someone else can do it in his place. >> do you think the job calls for a younger man out? he is saying this is a new world we live and a technologically advanced age. >> not necessarily aids. if a person is fairly healthy both mentally and physically i don't think it really matters. what with a jet comes responsibility and wisdom. --age >> thank you so much for taking time out. she has to get to mass. a lot of p
for this pope, but pope john paul ii, as well. the question of the pedophile scandals, the ongoing financial problems or complications or scandals of the vatican bank, which had a new president appointed on this last friday. obviously, there's a lot of talk about the changing nature of the catholic church. today, only one in four catholics lives in europe. most live in north america, south america, asia and africa. so, really, it's going to be a time for the church to redefine itself looking towards those areas where its numbers are growing. christi? >> going to be interesting to see if they choose a pope that is european or perhaps of another heritage. thank you, ben wedemen, we appreciate you bringing us the latest from rome there. >>> coming up in our 8:00 hour, we'll look at the intrigue and the secrecy in the church, as well as hollywood's obsession with the vatican. >>> so, i want to get you to washington now. take a look at this live picture of one beautiful sunrise. good morning to all of you waking up in that in d.c. and you know what else, folks are waking up to a first draft of th
-- it is a pretty good job to have -- think of my colleague justice john paul stevens who remained on the court until he was 90 and is still an avid golfer and tennis player and has recently written a book but not about himself but about the five chiefs he has known from the time he was a law clerk to the time he retired from the court. next question -- [laughter] >> you have had an amazing career and are leaving your legacy in below. looking back in your life, although there is still more to do, is there anything you would do differently? >> it's a question i don't ask myself. i will give you two pieces of advice i was given in that regard. when i was a brand new judge on the d.c. circuit, one of my senior colleagues said, "ruth, i have been at this business a long time and one thing i would like to impart to you. do your best job in each case but when it's over, when the opinion is out, do not look back. do not worry about things that have passed, go on to the next case and give it your all." that corresponds to advise my mother gave me which she summed up in the phrase "be a lady." by that s
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